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21 July 2010

Uh oh Russia Donates APC's to the PA

Russia has delivered 50 BTR-70 armored personnel carriers (APC) to Jordan for PA use, the vehicles are a gift to the PA, and include training for drivers and mechanics.
A Russian government statement said the vehicles are now waiting “until the PA and the Israeli sides agree on the time and ways of their transfer to the [PA].”

Russian BTR-70 armored personnel carriers (APC) destined for the PA

The terrorist organization Hamas is waiting to receive the APC's. Israel does not plan on letting them through.

Although they are scheduled to be delivered unarmed, the APC's in question can easily be turned into combat vehicles.

I was able to find all of the specs on line except the weaknesses. Hypothetically, this may become relevant.    Please leave a comment and let me know if you know how one of these vehicles can be stopped.




VEHICLE SPECS
BTR-70
Country of OriginCIS (formerly USSR)
RoleAmphibious armored personnel carrier
Date Of IntroductionLate 1970s
Crew3 (commander, driver, gunner)) + 8 passengers
Combat Weight12.7 tons (11.5 mt)
Ground Pressure?
Drive Formula8 x 8
Length, Overall 24.72 ft (7.535 m)
Width, Overall 9.19 ft (2.8 m)
Height, Overall 7.33 ft (2.235 m)
Ground Clearance18.7 in (475 mm)
PERFORMANCE
BTR-70
EngineTwo 120 hp (89 kw) ZMZ-4905 8-cylinder gasoline
Range373 miles (600 km)
Fuel Capacity92 gal (350 l)
Road Speed50 mph (80 km/h)
Cross Country Speed28 mph (45 km/h)
Swim Speed6.2 mph (10 km/h)
Fording DepthAmphibious
Grade60%
Side Slope40%
Trench Crossing6.6 ft (2.0 m)
Vertical Wall Climb1.6 ft (0.5 m)
PROTECTION
BTR-70
ArmorHull: 0.39 in (10 mm). Turret: 0.28 in (7 mm)
ARMAMENT
BTR-70
Typical Gun Type Mount Typical Ammo Load
14.5mm KPVT heavy machine gun Turret 500
7.62mm PKT machine gun Coaxial to main gun 2,000
Firing ports: 3 on each side of troop compartment

The BTR-70 (Bronetransporter-70) is a fully amphibious vehicle that is propelled through the water by a single water jet at the rear of the hull. The vehicle has an all-welded hull with improved protection over its frontal arc, as compared to the original BTR-60 series. The nose is also wider and the front of the vehicle provides added protection to the front wheels.

The commander and driver are seated at the front with the commander on the right and the driver on the left. The troop compartment is to the rear of the turret and the engine compartment is at the rear of the vehicle. The BTR-70 has a filtration and overpressurization system for NBC protection.

Like the BTR-60PB,the BTR-70 has good cross-country capability, high road speed, and large troop-carrying capacity. The redesigned seating arrangement allows the troops to sit back-to-back, facing outward. The vehicle's versatility and amphibious capability are also advantages.

IN0534: BTR-70
Recognition features:
  • An overall shape similar to the BTR-60 series.
  • Three forward-facing periscopes and one side-facing periscope for observation to the front and sides for both the commander and driver.
  • A turret identical to that fitted to the BTR-60PB and the BRDM-2 amphibious scout car.
  • A commander's single-piece front-opening hatch cover and a driver's single-piece rear-opening hatch cover.
  • Two front windows, one for the commander and one for the driver, which are covered in combat by an armored hatch cover hinged at the top.
  • Three firing ports and one vision block in each side the troop compartment to the rear.
  • Two square roof hatches over the top of the troop compartment, each with a circular firing port.
  • A prominent gap between the second and third wheels.
  • Cigar-shaped exhaust pipes mounted high on the rear of the hull that run down each side towards the rear.
  • A single-piece rear-mounted hydro-jet cover.
  • A trim vane that is erected at the front of the hull before entering the water and stowed on the top of the hull when travelling. On the BTR-60 series the trim vane is carried under the nose of the vehicle.
  • Split rim wheels.
  • Two foot steps on each side, between the first and second and third and fourth wheels and two small half doors, one on each side, that open forward between the second and third wheels
  • A low-silhouette stretched body.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/BTR70APCgraphic1.jpg



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20 comments:

mekubal said...

If you do a doc search on google, you will find older copies of the US Army's Ranger and Special Forces handbook.

In the enemy vehicle identification section, you will find the Russian BTR along with, I believe it is eight specific target points that a 7.62x54mm round can penetrate the armor. I believe there are a couple other US mil manuals that are available to the public with the same basic information. That is supposed to be a hard kill, as theoretically the round ricocheting around the interior will take care of key elements of the crew. That should give you a good starting point.

I believe if you do a thorough google search you may also be able to find de-classified US mil manuals on combating Russian armor. I just don't remember their FM numbers.

Anonymous said...

Nuke 'em. That should do it.

Anonymous said...

They are similar to a US LAV armorwise - protection from small arms, but a 50 cal should punch right through them.

I wasn't aware that 7.62 would pierce them in some spots, that's good info, but I'd still want a 50 cal so I didn't have to aim so carefully.

Billy Ray in Cowtown said...

NAPALM

redc1c4 said...

as an old 11H, i can say that they are vulnerable to any decently armed and trained OPFOR.

50 cal, AT-4/RPG and similar weapons will kill them outright, and, IIRC, so will 7.62 black tip.

anything larger than the above weapons, such as tank main gun rounds, Javelins, etc, are over kill... not that there is anything wrong with that.

Sailor said...

From my time in USMC light armor (LAV-25's)... a .50 cal will go in one side and out the other, the longway. Not even a contest. LAW, AT4, Carl Gustaf, you name it, hell, probably 40mm grenade would probably achieve a mission kill. Not saying they're crappy vehicles, but they are NOT tanks, any more than LAVs are :)

Sailor said...

Above comment was me :)

Oswald Bastable said...

Nuke then from orbit- it's the only way to be sure...

Bill said...

The BTR family of AFVs are thin-skinned. Like much of our legacy wheeled armour, they were built for speed and offered protection only from battlefield crap such as shrapnel, flying debris, SA fire and richochets. Much better than open half-tracks like the BTR-50, but no tanks.

The BTR series is 60s-70s era Soviet garbage and long obsolete. Russia isn't offering much more than old junkers with a paint job.

The vehicle is underpowered and its automotive quality suspect. The PA will probably consider engine and tranny upgrades before long.

The engine is in the rear which means there are no rear exit doors for troops to deploy from. They must come out over top, so if engaging them, machine gunners should fire just over the top of halted BTRs to catch exiting soldiers.

As others have said, 50cal or better will hole them. Bear in mind that armour is thickest on the front.

BTRs are not MRAP! Atk mines will destroy/disable them easily.

M72 LAWS and RPGs are both overrated and may nor disable the BTR as readily as some think.

I'm betting the PA will use these machines largely as fuel-guzzling police cars.

CaptBill

Anonymous said...

Nowadays the only use for the BTR60/70PB is internal security - in the West. Stick a water hose on top and wash those plebs down the drain, lol.

Seriously though, the poor fools who happen to be inside one of these will definately meet their maker after 10 or 12 rounds of .50 AP. Unless of course they've been altered: ASSUME nothing, it makes an ASS of U and an ass of ME.

Strangelyhelpful

PetrolClock said...

just some russian P.O.S's

.....CLIFFORD said...

In the grenada invasion in 1983, The US took out 2-3 BTR in short order with M72 Laws and M2 .50. Image of some here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BTR-60_during_Operation_Urgent_Fury.JPEG

Strnj1 said...

I think Billy Ray has the right Idea, Napalm.

Not very functional with a "medium well" crew...

STORMBRINGER said...

Let those stupid BTRs roll across your territory to the PA, let the PA have them - they will be good target practice for the IDF ! ! !

These tin cans are mere appetizers for your Merkava's - the Golanis will eat them for lunch with shoulder-fired weapons. Hell, even truck-mounted .50 cal technicals can destroy these antiques.

The Russians should be persecuted in the Hague for setting up Hamas like lambs to the slaughter . . . maybe it's time I took that long-overdue return trip to the Holy Land . . .

- STORMBRINGER SENDS

Anonymous said...

You must be damn proud of your female IDF soldiers and rightfully so.

D.W. Drang said...

My first thought was that Russians teaching Palestinians maintenance means those tracks will be sitting idle before long.

Mark said...

I guess this means they won't have to use "UN" Ambulances to move their fighters around anymore.

Anonymous said...

Against infantry maybe a slight risk, in the hands of the Palestinians.....a joke! On the brighter side.......the gunner on a Merkava would enjoy having a nice moving target!

WstPac said...

From personal experience, a .50 cal BMG shooting APIT (Armor Piercing Incendiary Tracer), will light up a BTR........period!

TexasJB said...

‎"Talked to a friend of my who shot up a lot of them in the past in Iraq. He said the best way is to hit it right in the engine compartment from the top where the cooler is. He said do not try to hit anywhere toward the front of the vehicle.... Concentrate at the engine compartment. As for the tires. You can shoot at them as long as you are able to take at least 4 0r 5 of the wheels off or take the whole axle off."
Thanks Dave
with a javelin or spike...what btr? small arms no. 50bmg deplete uranium like butter, heat rounds. or my favorite a herd of pigs...lol

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